Jonas Vingegaard's wife Trine on how to match Tadej Pogacar at 2025 Tour de France - "It all depends on what kind of race it is"
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Tadej Pogacar and Jonas Vingegaard are 2-2 against each other in the past four editions of the Tour de France where they were first and second. In 2025 we could see a tie-breaker between them, and within Visma, including Vingegaard's wife Trine Marie Hansen, they know how to turn the tables in favour of the Dane.
“Pogacar is just super explosive and powerful. There is no one who is at the same level in that respect. Not even Jonas," she said in an interview with the couple on DR. "But when it comes to endurance and some other types of stages, Jonas can match him, I think. So it all depends on what kind of race it is.”
In 2022 and 2023 this was the tactic that ultimately worked. In both editions, Pogacar cracked completely on one occasion in each edition - the famous stages to the Col du Granon and Courchevel respectively. This year that was not a weak point for the Slovenian, but the team knows that in terms of long stages with a lot of energy expenditure throughout the entire day and long climbs, then the explosivty of Pogacar will not matter the same way.
Visma have been able to take full advantage of this in previous years, in 2024 they only truly put this strategy to use on stage 15 to Plateau de Beille but Pogacar was unbeatable. However, that will likely continue to be the way to go for the Dutch team, who will likely have the likes of Sepp Kuss, Simon Yates and Matteo Jorgenson all ready to be golden domestiques at the next year's Grand Boucle. “The focus is on a strong team around Jonas, so that his teammates can help him wear Pogacar down.” Vingegaard's schedule will be revealed in the upcoming weeks as the team take on it's second training camp in Spain.
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Strong team around Jonas and pray each day that Tadej forgets to eat in the decisive stages (col du Granon). It also happened this year, stage 11 when Jonas won the sprint (incredible! Tadej was empty).
No, it didn't. It has been debunked by the team that there was anything wrong with his feeding. Pogacar went too early and paid the price.
That simply cannot be true. He's been attacking and winning from afar all year before that and suddenly he bonked because he went too early, with most of that being a climb? There's absolutely no reason to believe that he did the same watts as on PdB a few days later because he went from "too far", with the efforts being 12:30 vs almost 40 minutes
Sorry but that’s confusing, what cannot be true??? Are you saying that under the assumption every day is the same and riders are the same every day? I don’t think anyone has a complete answer as to why there was this results on this day or any other result on any other day, it depends on millions of things in billions of different degrees each time. Maybe there is nothing wrong with feeding on a given day but if it is « optimised » to 97.3% one day as opposed to 97.4% on another no-one is going to be able to tell but that CAN be the difference between the cm needed to get 1st instead of 2nd after a few 100km if we consider the impossibility that EVERY other factor for you and your rival remained exactly as another day.
The fact that he attacked from afar means that he was feeling great. And suddenly he started going slower. Either there was something wrong with a bike or he bonked. I believe the second, given his climbing where Jonas caught him nad a sprint that he was unable to do standing up the ejtire time, which is super unusual and implies there wasn't anything wrong with the bike
How about he just underestimated how well Jonas would react? TP has had the Luckury (sic) that almost no-one has tried or been in a situation to pressure him when he launched long-range attacks, so making them look easy and him invincible, we don’t consider that he is also actually riding close to his absolute limit in such moments (as several of his comments reflecting back reveal), it would only take the comeback of a Jonas or MVDP or half a dozen capable others for his state of mind to be affected, I’m pretty sure during the Tour there is also an element of not going all out just for every stage when there is the GC as a bigger picture. Also, sometimes (even he) an attack is used to feign fake strength, maybe he already felt a bit weak and pokered that an attack would discourage the others, actually maybe he got a little too confident/used to that possibility earlier in the year ;-) It’s quite hard to tell when TP is flailing, there are very preceding signs when he cracks and it happens so rarely that it’ll be hard to discover them :-)
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