The original debate centred on whether Pogacar’s racing and public comments can create pressure inside the peloton. Zonneveld argued that riders may increasingly want to stay on the right side of the world champion and UAE, particularly when the Slovenian’s approval or criticism can quickly become part of the public narrative around a race.
“They have a say in how races play out even when someone other than Pogacar wins,” Zonneveld said on In de Waaier. “That's why riders want to be among the ones he likes. It's pretty Armstrongian — though that was on a very different level entirely.”
That final caveat is important. Zonneveld was not presenting Pogacar as a direct copy of Armstrong, nor was he making a doping comparison. His argument was about racing power, psychological pressure and the way dominant riders can shape the choices of those around them.
Jorgenson tension used as key example
Zonneveld pointed to the 2025 Tour de France, where Pogacar personally marked Matteo Jorgenson after earlier tension between the pair. Pogacar had accused the Team Visma | Lease a Bike rider of blocking him from taking a bidon in a feed zone.
“I don't know what their intention is. They do this often. They'll ride ahead of you in the feed zone as if they're the only ones who need water bottles,” Pogacar said at the time. “We were riding in a line at the feed zone. I indicated my intention to grab a water bottle from my caregiver. He was twenty meters behind the Visma | Lease a Bike rider. Jorgenson decided to pass on the right because he wanted to take a water bottle. I had no choice but to give him a push.”
Zonneveld later connected that kind of tension to the way Pogacar responds to riders who do or do not cooperate with him in races.
Romandie incident added fuel to the debate
The discussion resurfaced after the opening stage of the Tour de Romandie, where Florian Lipowitz refused to work in a small lead group with Pogacar, Lenny Martinez and Jorgen Nordhagen.
For Zonneveld, Pogacar’s response after the stage fitted a wider pattern. “He is a likeable guy, but he sneaks in the odd dig,” Zonneveld said. “If you ride with him you're a good guy. You get a Strava comment like Seixas did, or an arm around your shoulder like Nordhagen got. If you don't ride with him, you get a dig in the post-race interview and you end up in the bad books.”
That was the heart of Zonneveld’s point. Pogacar’s popularity and authority can make his approval valuable, while his criticism can leave a rider exposed. Bruyneel, however, saw the Armstrong comparison as completely misplaced.
Bruyneel goes after Zonneveld personally
Rather than treating the comparison as a narrow point about influence in the bunch, Bruyneel rejected the whole premise and went straight at Zonneveld’s credibility. “This story comes from an unbelievable idiot: Thijs Zonneveld,” Bruyneel said on The Move. “He thinks he knows everything because he raced. He was quite talented in the younger categories, and he is frustrated because he never made it with the pros.”
Bruyneel continued by questioning Zonneveld’s view of his own racing career. “His theory is that he didn’t make it because everyone was on doping and he wasn’t. That is his story,” he said. “Zonneveld was a talent, but it takes more to reach the top. And once you are there, it takes even more. If it were only doping, it would be very easy.”
The former US Postal and Discovery Channel boss also dismissed the specific tactical reading around Pogacar’s behaviour in Romandie. “That was intimidation in Zonneveld’s eyes,” Bruyneel said. “According to him, it worked because Lipowitz helped in the stages afterwards. But that is bullshit.”
Bruyneel was equally blunt on the wider Armstrong comparison, even with Zonneveld’s own qualification that the Armstrong era was “on a very different level entirely.” “He says he resembles Armstrong, that Pogacar is nicer and has fewer enemies, but that the tactics and mental games are the same,” Bruyneel said. “Which is, of course, bullshit.”
Lance Armstron and Johan Bruyneel
Pogacar dominance remains a sensitive subject
The exchange cuts into one of the most delicate topics around Pogacar’s dominance. The Slovenian is widely admired for his attacking style, his public warmth and his willingness to race across the calendar, but his status also means every move carries a different weight.
When Pogacar chases, praises, criticises or ignores someone, it can quickly become part of a wider peloton story. That was the space Zonneveld was trying to explore. Bruyneel, though, viewed the Armstrong comparison as unacceptable and made clear his frustration was not limited to one line from one podcast. “He presents himself as the moral teacher among all journalists,” Bruyneel said. “He also doesn’t have many friends among the journalists.”
With the remarks certain to travel far beyond The Move, Bruyneel ended with a direct message to Zonneveld. “I know that many channels also pick up our stories and quotes, so I’ll just say it here: Thijs Zonneveld, we know we are not friends, but you are an idiot.”
The timing gives the row another layer. Bruyneel and Zonneveld are both due to appear on Wielerclub Wattage at the end of the month, setting up a potentially combustible face-to-face meeting after one of the sharpest pundit clashes of Pogacar’s season so far.