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- There is an important aspect that surprisingly nobody has pointed out here. Go rewatch the race from the bottom of Montmartre on to the finish.
Watch who is pulling between the two of them and watch the telemetry time gap to the chasers. When Pogi pulls, the gap drops 2-4 seconds. As soon as MVdp pulls, the gap jumps back up 2 to 5 seconds. Repeatedly. Now watch it again and time their pulls and you will see Pogi flicking his elbow in a much shorter interval than MVdp. MVdp is taking longer pulls and he's fortifying their lead. Pogi, on the other hand, the opposite.
Don't get me wrong, I realize Tadej's brief, less intense pulls still provided some level of recovery for Vanderpoel, but to suggest he gifted the stage is utter fantasy. MVdp absolutely owned that race with his trademark tenacity, grit and fearlessness. I've NEVER seen a rider dig so deep and believe in himself quite like that. 600m sprint that saw him jump up out of the saddle to put down ever more power with 40m left is unreal. Never seen a display quite like that in 40 years of watching this sport closely. Tadej, by comparison, gave up. 650m remaining and he said, "Oh I can't do it, we're getting caught now for sure, oh well". MVdP said, "I'm not caught yet, I must try and go 100% all-in. He was willing to lose via defeat, but not via quitting. He is the real deal. Tadej is close, but MVdp is pure class in a way that sees Tadej fall a little short. His talent is at least as substantial MVdp's, more even, but he doesn't embody the same level of character as a racer quite like MVdp.
- A follow up as I was playing with some statistics. Counting "big wins" as grand tours, monuments, and world championships, Pogačar is now at 21 (Merckx is first at 33, Coppi third at 17). That's in the middle of the 2026 season, with the Vuelta, Lombardia, and worlds still to come. Pogačar has won 13 of the past 26 monuments, 6 of the last 14 grand tours, and both of the last world championships. Good lord. A few more years of this and he actually beats Merckx at this game (consistency is never guaranteed, which is why I enjoy these crazy stats as they happen - who knows if this will last!).
- oh, it’s worse than ‘95 — ‘15… charly gaul, fausto coppi, jacques anquetil, tom simpson, felice gimondi, eddy merckx (caught THREE times), bernard thévenet, joop zoetmelk, freddy maertens, bernard hinault (suspended for refusing to take drug test), francesco moser, pedro delgado, laurent fignon, sean kelly, stephen roche, ETC. That list includes just about every tour de france winner from 1960ish up through the period you mention, with the exceptions of indurain and lemond.
so i TOTALLY AGREE with your point that it’s not really the doping that makes armstrong so despised. i personally don’t care about lance armstrong doping. i don’t even care that he lied about it, because if you’re gonna dope you’re GONNA lie about it. i mean, that’s the whole idea right, not getting caught? i care that armstrong aggressively RUINED the lives of people with no power at all compared to him. but agreed, it’s NOT the doping.
- Cool.
- i’m an american. is it ok if i don’t much like either of them?
- People don't hate dopers or they'd hate the entire 1995-2015 peloton.
People hate Lance because he was a dick AND a doper.
But hey, he's mellowed.
- It's now official. God > Country > Pogacar > Cycling > Plebeians (WorldTour Athletes).
- I watch every stage from start to finish... there's always people who will enjoy it, but that number will get lower and lower...
- The record on the tourmalet is anything but a fairly contested record like the 100m (track or pool) which is done many times under the same conditions contrary to less than once a year with different distances up to the foot of the mountain and different strategies from pacemakers
- Tadej had a bad day in 2022 TDF only because he aggressively chased down every single attack (WVA, Rogla, Laporte and Jonas) himself rather than relying on his team or riding defensively.
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