"Tadej Pogacar has his style, I have mine. But it does bother me sometimes when we are portrayed as 'calculated'" - Jonas Vingegaard honest on comparisons to world champion

That's true, however there are hilly/mountainous one day races that Jonas doesn't compete in. Ardenes, autumn Italian races

Yes, you're right. Il Lombardia actually is a monument for climbers. On paper, it should suit Jonas.

As has been said many times, Jonas is a diesel, never going to focus on one day races, Tadej is a roadie, never going to do MTB or CX.

I know I just said I wouldn't feed the troll, but Tadej used to race cross, and is a former national champion. He's not a "crosser" but to say he'll never do CX is inaccurate (again)

He can't help himself.

It’s what he himself has said, just like many announced retirement and come back out so basically you accept their word being worthless. Anyway, to be accurate, it is accurate until he proves us wrong, then we can start arguing what constitutes doing MTB or CX, going for a Sunday ride with mates off season is not the same as taking part professionally but we’ll cross that bridge IF it ever happens. Besides, an opinion cannot be inaccurate it can only be wrong. And thank you for repeating what Maria reminded everyone of.

replying to KerisVroom re Vingegaard and Il Lombardia - it's the last Monument he raced, back in 2022. He was more or less in it until the very ending stages, but the last few hills when Mas and Pogacar took off and Landa got on and fell off a few times, he drifted off the back of the group and ended up 16th. In '21 he was 14th.

For what it's worth, double Tour de France winner Pogacar raced cyclocross in Ljubljana in December '21. Not sure he's raced since, but it wasn't just as a junior. (He won the race, surprise.)

I see, I stand corrected. I thought Jonas never raced there, but I think it probably didn't register to me because he wasn't as famous back then.

yes, the prior preparation must be rational and precise, but the races have so many dynamic variables, they are chaotic. Jonas and Tadej have different styles in responding to the situations. Tadej is flexible and very reactive on his own, more instinctive . Jonas' style is passive, static, he sticks to the previous plan and waits for instructions before modifying it, more calculated.

Success in who’s eyes or according to what criteria?

It’s still interesting when neither are there :-) You know there is always still a thing called imagination? Shame you can’t see the interest in any race if you feel it’s only about who wins or is likely to. On the one hand people enjoy knowing one or both exist, on the other hand they moan when one is partipating. I think we should be looking more at our own attitudes towards expectations from entertainment.

What are you talking about? Of course it’s still interesting when neither is there. I didn’t say anything to contradict that. Weird and baseless accusation and statement. I said Grand Tour GC would be less interesting with only one of them. They perform head and shoulders above the rest but can beat other. If only one was present then the interest in grand tour GC is less since they’d likely dominate the field. Competition is fun. If neither are there then the field is together much closer like at the Vuelta last year. GC was fun the whole way through.
I think you should assess your own attitude and assumptions when communicating with others ;)

I'm sure we have other top riders Mr M. All I was saying that it is a spectacle to watch this pair go head to head in races and grand tours. You always seem to want make more of what is said as though what is said isn't good enough and then off you go into a long discourse telling us about your extended thoughts on the subject?

Unless you can ignore the winner to enjoy the rest if the race, hence the comment about using imagination. Easier to do during a race than retrospectively when you’ve discovered someone gets their titles, medals, prize money cancelled and disqualified. Of course, it helps if camera crew look for the action, some channels do better at that than others.

Any two matching riders are a spectacle in any race. Do we have to continually state the obvious by always referring to the same two, even if many strongly disagree and argue they are evenly matched in the races where they meet? Isn’t the point of the internet to enhance and further thought and opinion as opposed to agreeing on a very narrow consensus that kilks conversation?

you're saying this in a comment thread on an article specifically about Tadej and Jonas? The internet is about connection. People can connect without having to go off topic to argue or arguing for its own sake. The internet can indeed be a positive place where people agree on things. For the sake of dissent, you put forward very odd views that are poorly thought out. That's what trolling is. I'll stop feeding the troll

Great reply "Evan", as you say stop feeding him. He always goes off topic to tell you a complete load of crap about himself, sad little man.

Odd is always unpopular. Some people are more interested in understanding and exploring than rehashing what is known, I don’t have any particular desire to be popular or appreciated by the masses. Live with it.

How do you plan to stop feeding? By reading me you are already provoking yourself into doing the opposite of what you preach, and by the way, I’d be quite happy if people who don’t feel like it didn’t answer or comment my posts so you’d be doing me a favour.

Shush!

The article is ACTUALLY about the perceived unproven style difference between UAE and Visma and not specifically about T vs J but I admit that’s what most people want to limit things to which inevitably dictates what is considered « acceptable «  to discuss by the moral majority here.

Stop assuming you know how people think. Do you not understand how dumb it is to make these sort of assumptions on such a vast scale?