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- THANK YOU for saving me the trouble of writing this myself. you didn’t miss a thing. like you, i’m troubled by the selective memory and hypocrisy that’s hard wired into cycling’s collective conscience.
- No doubt Pogacar is the GOAT. He achieved that even before this year's Tour. All comparisons between current sporting greats and those from decades ago give the same result. Sport has never been so competitive - that's why.
- How's pogi doing on the hour record?
- it is not fair to add just some dopers but exclude others…
- I make the same comments all the time. At similar career points, Tadej is the same or further ahead.
As for win totals, Merckx raced so many small races, crits, track races etc. Races that aren’t even here anymore.
Regardless, both are amazing.
- Competed against amateurs?
- If it is easier for Pog to break Merckx's records, then it was also easier for Merckx to break the records he broke when he was newer. In effect you are arguing that the original GOATS - you know, those riders who smoked and worked real jobs 100 years ago - are permanently the best ever. Their records may fall, but only because it's....easier.
Fair enough to say that early pioneers have a place in the sport that can never be replaced, but ludicrous to ignore that the cyclists of today, like athletes in almost every sport, are wildly stronger and more skilled than ever. There is a reason no one has done what Merckx did over the last 50 years, and its the same reason that easily (imo) qualifies Pog as the best rider of all time.
- If you find it too difficult or uncertain, you are welcome to sit out the GOAT debate. But it will go on just the same, and it cannot be reduced to mere numbers. It involves judgment and the subjective weighing of evidence, and I am quite comfortable comparing riders of different eras and forming an opinion.
- Merckx doped.
- You can only compete against the people around you, not competitors of the past and future. History books don't add caveats about competitors, technology, or nutrition (though they are slowly adding information about doping, knocking Merckx right on off that pedestal). In the long run, it's the numbers that matter more than anything else.
I strongly suspect that this season Pogačar will do something nobody else has: win 4 monuments, 2 grand tours, and the world championship. That's better (in terms of big races) than Valverde did in his entire career, and he's #10 on this list! Let's see if he actually carries it out.
Rather than speculation, here's a different statistic that stands out. Pogačar has already bested Merckx, de Vlaeminck, and all the rest by standing on the podium of 11 consecutive monuments, and has been on the podium for the last 14 that he finished. Nobody else gets close to that record.
People comparing eras in any sport are going to fail miserably because everything changes, all the time. What it boils down to is that we get to watch an amazing cyclist, and I really hope that we get many more years of watching him race.
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