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- In 2024 the records were reset on Plateau de Beille (a climb Armstrong won several times, once in 2002, 37th best of all time and in 2004, 25th best of all time)
On this single climb alone, used as an example, Tadej holds the record of 1. 2024: 39:50 Tadej Pogacar 23.95 km/h. Lances best attempt in which he won the stage was 25th. 2004: 45:31 Lance Armstrong 20.96 km/h.
If my math is right this is 5 minutes and 41 seconds slower than Tadej on a single mountain stage, a stage in 2004 that Lance completely dominated outside of finishing with Ivan Basso on the same time, third place was 1min 5sec down on those two.
The record is holder's first through third are, Tadej, Jonas and Remco.
This illustrates my point that Lance, who was using all types of recovery drugs, and who was on a mission to win the stage that day, would have lost over five minutes to Tadej had they been racing together.
Just another observation, in 2024 the finish temp was 35C while back in the 2004 Tour is was 30C that day.
- His comments here are an improvement on many previous ones, don’t see what you’re on about. Maybe explain a little instead of just posting?
- Ok but in that line of thought, Merckx would have continued getting similar results for quite some time too if he hadn’t been put off cycling by some of the non-sporting events he endured towards the end. Real money might also have helped prolong his desire to put himself through all that s h i t just for some more wins.
- what exactly was delusional in this article?
- Not so easy to judge so categorically, the climbs may be faster now but the stage averages were way higher on the queen stages back then and were often quite a bit longer. The race average then again was lower.
I think it definitely shows racing has changed.
- I doubt any rider is that observant or experienced to be sure they’ve won or lost when they are at their limit, so far apart and there’s only a tire’s breadth in it, ignoring that it would have been risky to suppose no-one else could sneak up.
Still fun that these were the two battling it out for the last victory.
- I thought this might bring you back here ;-)
- Rain was forecast
- Pity jv can’t defend his red jersey this year - but, winning the Giro is still a decent season?
- Armstrong may be right about one thing: the real debate isn't whether Pogačar is the most dominant athlete in the world—it’s whether anyone in cycling has a realistic path to beating him anymore. After this Tour, I don’t see Jonas Vingegaard closing the gap unless something fundamentally changes, and I don’t see anyone consistently challenging Pogačar for years if he stays healthy. The next rider who beats him may not simply be the next great talent; it may be the rider willing to think differently about the entire game. Imagine Paul Seixas choosing legacy over the biggest contract and joining a team like EF that is willing to build a completely creative project around one mission: finding a way to defeat Pogačar. Sometimes history is not made by the rider with the biggest salary—it is made by the rider who is willing to sacrifice comfort, challenge the impossible, and become the one who ended the greatest era of dominance cycling has ever seen.
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